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# Policy Engine - No Policy Decision Detected, missing spinnaker.persistence.pipelines

### Issue <a href="#issue" id="issue"></a>

Even though it may appear that your declarations are correct, Policy Engine can possibly return the below error when initializing. `There was an error saving your pipeline: Policy Error: No policy decision detected. This is likely because a missing spinnaker.persistence.pipelines.before package.. [dismiss]`

### Cause <a href="#cause" id="cause"></a>

Setting Policy Engine to `failOpen: false` can cause the issue if no policies are declared.When Spinnaker sends a specific payload via Policy Engine to OPA to be validated by a policy and the policy doesn't exist, it will return the error message. By default, with this setting Front50 will `fail close`.